We have been looking into the opening canto of Sri Aurobindo’s epic Savitri, The Symbol Dawn, almost for the last six months and yet it seems to elude us all the while. Indeed, it does elude us all the while because at least an element of perception is needed to have access in its realms of gold. There are in it depths below shining depths, and heights above splendid heights, and far-extending luminous occult ranges that are the parts of the transcendent itself, and one has to have contact with them to make further progress in the limitlessness of its infinity. That we don’t have—but that is precisely what Savitri gives us; its Word has the power to usher in divine experience in us. And the Word has thought-knowledge in it, and it has the capacity to open our sight to the visions of the beyond, those that are ardently waiting into us, and the sense of its sound carries the rhythms of the dynamic Truth that sets the worlds into motion. But that Word can be ours only when we allow it to settle in our consciousness of deep hush, in the soul of aspiring will, in the spirit of widening knowledge.

 

Therefore these some 200 posts related with the Symbol Dawn should be taken only as the first attempt, more or less in the nature of a draft ready to be used again and again for seeing its multidimensional riches. It will be perhaps necessary to reorganize the material to form a basis for further work. In fact it should be done. I will be very happy if the lovers of Savitri can come forward towards this collective participation. It will be a joint collaborative effort which can go in several directions, for instance, presenting the Dawn audio-visually, tracing the history of the earth, narrating the story of the creation, unfolding the future awaiting the possibilities of the spirit in our moods and manners and measures of thought and feeling and will, fulfilling our deeper urges in it. The scope is unlimited and it will entirely depend upon our creativity.

 

As one way of initiating this multilogue we open here a new page entitled Sessions with Savitri. Those who are interested can freely put their ideas, thoughts, suggestions specifically connected with Savitri, not only for discussion but also for deeper reflection. It will be a collective gain and, in fact, a way of living in Savitri who shall give us the truth and the things of the truth. To begin with, here is the compilation of the comments that were made recently.


Narendra on Tue 02 Jun 2009 06:27 PM IST |  Profile |  Permanent Link

 

I would like to ask you about the last two pages of the Canto The Soul's Choice and the Supreme Consummation:

 

A face was over her which seemed a youth’s,

Symbol of all the beauty eyes see not,

Crowned as with peacock plumes of gorgeous hue

Framing a sapphire, whose heart-disturbing smile

Insatiably attracted to delight,

Voluptuous to the embraces of her soul.

Changed in its shape, yet rapturously the same,

It grew a woman’s dark and beautiful

Like a mooned night with drifting star-gemmed clouds,

A shadowy glory and a stormy depth,

Turbulent in will and terrible in love.


My questions are:

 

1. Is the "face which seemed of a youth's" the face of the Supreme or the Universal Lord the Fourfold Being? And what is the significance of it descending with Savitri?


2. What is the significance of


Changed in its shape, yet rapturously the same,
It grew a woman’s dark and beautiful [?]


Auroman on Wed 03 Jun 2009 06:21 AM IST |  Profile |  Permanent Link


RYD can correct me if I am wrong.


This seems like a description of the birth of the Avatar. The Avatar's descent is being described is through the planes of consciousness onto Earth. The "face of youth..which turns into a woman's" is the face that accompanies the Avatar - it is the face of the Divine, an insignia so to speak.


At the beginning of the Canto, Savitri has a dialogue with the Supreme


Then there is the vision of the work to be accomplished—the descent of the Supermind —as seen from pp. 698-710:

 

O Satyavan, O luminous Savitri,

I sent you forth of old beneath the stars,

A dual power of God in an ignorant world,

In a hedged creation shut from limitless self,

Bringing down God to the insentient globe,

Lifting earth-beings to immortality.


On p. 711, this vision ends and the descent into a human body begins:

 

The measure of that subtle music ceased.

Down with a hurried swimming floating lapse

Through unseen worlds and bottomless spaces forced

Sank like a star the soul of Savitri.


On p. 712, the descent into an earthly body is described:

 

And near attraction of the earth compelled

Fearful rapidities of downward bliss.

Lost in the giddy proneness of that speed,

Whirled, sinking, overcome she disappeared,

Like a leaf spinning from the tree of heaven,

In broad unconsciousness as in a pool;

A hospitable softness drew her in

Into a wonder of miraculous depths,

Above her closed a darkness of great wings

And she was buried in a mother's breast.


RY Deshpande on Wed 03 Jun 2009 03:04 PM IST |  Profile |  Permanent Link

 

Discussions at Krishna-Kali 1 and Krishna-Kali 2 might be helpful. Both also carry the following paragraphs:


During the Record-period 1912-20 we see the Krishna-Kali aspect occurring repeatedly as the most fundamental experience of Sri Aurobindo in the context of the Spirit’s dynamism in life. In his noting dated 1 January 1915 he writes: “Kali is now everywhere revealed in the bhāva of the madhur dāsī dominated by Krishna and administering to his bhoga.” Then, again, in February 1920: Krishna Kali relation founded on madhura dāsya is the foundation of tapas siddhi, the power to change the world. In fact the fourth Chatushtaya is full of it. Krishna taking delight in the world, Kali carrying out Lila according to the pleasure of the Ishwara, Divine Action and Divine Enjoyment form the entire basis of this divine dynamism in the creation. Belonging to the same period we also have the early draft of Savitri in which the coming down of Krishna and Kali figures as the finest thing that can happen to us. It is with that most excellent boon that Savitri returns to earth with the soul of Satyavan:

 

Pursuing her in her fall implacably sweet

A face was over her which seemed a youth’s

Crowned as with peacock plumes of gorgeous hue

Framing a sapphire, whose heart-disturbing smile

Insatiably attracted to delight.

Often it changed, though rapturously the same,

And seemed a woman’s dark and beautiful,

Turbulent in will and terrible in love,

A shadowy glory and a stormy depth,

Like a mooned night with drifting star-gemmed clouds.


This tapas-siddhi of bringing down Krishna and Kali is the entire purport of the yogic Savitri. Whatever stood in its way had to be removed and the path cleared to usher in the divine Event. In it is won the higher Amrita, the essence of immortality, that was postponed earlier. In it is the Siddhi of the Integral Yoga of the Future, a Siddhi that does not remain static, but by the work of Kali in the will of Krishna keeps on adding to itself realizable possibilities of the vast yet widening Truth-conscient Delight.

“The supramental change is a thing decreed and inevitable in the evolution of the earth-consciousness,” wrote Sri Aurobindo in 1928. The supramental change was decreed by him and he and the Mother had set themselves to work out its inevitability. But to realize it in us, there is needed the call and we have to be ready to receive what they are constantly showering on us. Tapahprabhava and Devaprasada, as the ancient Upanishadic scripture says, together can bring fulfilment to our longings, to our soul’s aspiration. To be engaged in that spiritual growth, to live and work and enjoy divinely in the Divine is the Integral Yoga of the Future.


“The supramental change is a thing decreed and inevitable in the evolution of the earth-consciousness,”—this was also the last message given by Sri Aurobindo, on 24 November 1950.


On the Mirror of Tomorrow there are other places also where reference is made to this theme. Ask for ‘Krishna-Kali’ or ‘Integral Yoga of the Future’ in the search. After going through these, if you have any more query, we can go into more depth perhaps.


RY Deshpande on Wed 03 Jun 2009 03:16 PM IST |  Profile |  Permanent Link

 

It seems the links got messed up. Don't know where but here are these again:

http://www.mirroroftomorrow.org/blog/_archives/2009/3/31/4139148.html

http://www.mirroroftomorrow.org/blog/_archives/2008/11/22/3989088.html


Narendra on Thu 04 Jun 2009 01:51 AM IST |  Profile |  Permanent Link

 

Link to Integral Yoga of the Future was most rewarding. Sincere thanks for the same.


It has gone a long way in clarifying for me the Big Picture of Savitri.


But still some big pieces are missing from my understanding:


1. The worlds of deathless bliss, perfection's home that open up on Savitri at the beginning of Canto The Soul’s Choice and the Supreme Consummation and the seven immortal earths which she encounters there; are these worlds the same as the New Creation in the House of Spirit? If not then what is the difference?


2. Following lines from p. 684 give the impression that the Heavens and the Earth were born from one original ecstasy;

 

On the pale shores of foaming steely straits

That flow beneath a grey tormented sky,

Two powers from one original ecstasy born

Pace near but parted in the life of man;

One leans to earth, the other yearns to the skies:

Heaven in its rapture dreams of perfect earth,

Earth in its sorrow dreams of perfect heaven.

The two longing to join, yet walk apart,

Idly divided by their vain conceits;

They are kept from their oneness by enchanted fears;

Sundered mysteriously by miles of thought,

They gaze across the silent gulfs of sleep.

 

My original understanding of Heavens here was the supramental dream of heavenly earth. If that is not the case then what is the difference between Heaven and New Creation and the supramental worlds?


3. The Psychic Being of Savitri, her soul with which she merges in canto Finding of the Soul, the Oversoul and the Godhead are the names which I cannot correctly put in context to each other. Could you please give me the right perspective. Also how are they located in the Architecture of the Consciousness? What location is the place where Savitri found her soul? Is it supramental?


4. Savitri undergoes many transformations in her Yoga and in her confrontation with Death. Is there any write up which puts these transformations in progressive context? Especially the last four transformations: Page 554 (The Cosmic Spirit and the Cosmic Consciousness), Page 21 (The Issue), Page 571 (Towards the Black Void), Page 664 (The Dream Twilight of the Earthly Real). In each Savitri is possessed by a Higher Consciousness; what is the differentiation?


Auroman on Fri 05 Jun 2009 06:29 AM IST |  Profile |  Permanent Link

 

Re Question 3


The Psychic Being of Savitri, her soul with which she merges in canto Finding of the Soul, the Oversoul and the Godhead are the names which I cannot correctly put in ontext to each other. Could you please give me the right perspective. Also how are they located in the Architecture of the Consciousness?


The Oversoul is mentioned on p24 and a couple of other pages

His thought stretches into infinitude;

All in him turns to spirit vastnesses.

His soul breaks out to join the Oversoul,

His life is oceaned by that superlife.

He has drunk from the breasts of the Mother of the worlds;

A topless Supernature fills his frame.


1) The psychic being sits within/behind the heart and it is the Divine representative which incarnates life after life, also known as the thread-soul or Sutratma.


2) The Oversoul is the Jivatman above the head which is immutable. It is that with which one unites with Enlightment when the Kundalini reaches the top of the head.


3) Godhead means cosmic powers or Gods who descend into man during Yogic transformation. Look for the word Godhead in the Secret of the Vedas. See for example "Vishnu the all-pervading Godhead" Chap XII.


> What location is the place where Savitri found her soul? Is it supramental?


The Supramental has nothing to do with the Oversoul, if that is what you were assuming. Enlightenment gives you access to the Overmind but not to the Supermind.


There are three realizations:


1) Psychic being within which is called Psychic transformation.

 

2) Jivatman/Oversoul above which is called Cosmic Consciousness or Enlightment in old terminology.


3) Transcendent Divine beyond Prakriti.

 

When you have gained the third, then you can ascend to the Supermind.


auroman on Fri 05 Jun 2009 06:39 AM IST |  Profile |  Permanent Link


Re question 1, p. 672:


Arisen beneath a triple mystic heaven

The seven immortal earths were seen, sublime:

Homes of the blest released from death and sleep

Where grief can never come nor any pang

Arriving from self-lost and seeking worlds

Alter Heaven-nature’s changeless quietude

And mighty posture of eternal calm,

Its pose of ecstasy immutable.


This is a guess (RYD?). The triple heaven may be the world of Overmind. The seven immortal earths (the next line says home of blest released from death) may be the place where the psychic beings/souls go to rest after death. This place is described by Mother Sri Aurobindo.


RY Deshpande on Fri 05 Jun 2009 08:17 PM IST |  Profile |  Permanent Link

 

The worlds of the Book of the Everlasting Day are non-progressive worlds in the Transcendent. They could have also become a temptation for Savitri to live with Satyavan in them. But her concern was the Earth. The New Creation in the House of the Spirit is in relationship with the evolutionary Earth. Unless the ‘Prototype’ is built there, nothing can happen here. This was exactly the yogic step that was taken by Aswapati=Sri Aurobindo. It is the task of Savitri=the Mother to bring it down here, to effectuate its manifestation upon Earth.


Perhaps you could see other aspects in what I’ve just said.


If there is sufficient interest, maybe we could open a new page—Sessions with Savitri—for such discussions which may not have any immediate connections with the posted articles.


narendra on Sat 06 Jun 2009 12:55 AM IST |  Profile |  Permanent Link

 

I request you to please open a new page for these discussions. I am really looking forward to make progress with Savitri.


http://www.savitrithelightofthesupreme.org/blog/_archives/2009/6/1/4201685.html#1242949


Joan Price on Sun 21 Jun 2009 10:56 PM IST  |  IP: 24.251.217.220

 

A marvelous story indeed. Now if we can purify ourselves so the supramental can stay —what a grand step in the evolution of consciousness that would be.


RY Deshpande on Mon 22 Jun 2009 06:27 AM IST |  Profile |  Permanent Link

 

But the supramental has come to stay and is present in the earth's subtle physical. It is now we who must build up contact with it.

RYD