Mirror of Tomorrow
Re: Re: Re: Re: Sessions with Savitri—Open Page: July 2009
by auroman
> 1. So any Being born on earth gets a psychic spark/presence as part and parcel of the > physical body? I made a mistake in my earlier response. The typal beings like Gods, Asuras do not get a psychic being if they are born on Earth. They have a Purusha which supports the formation on Earth. I will hand this question over to the Master!
Again, what do you mean by a soul? My proposition simply meant that there is no existence which has not the support of something of the Divine behind it. But the word soul has various meanings according to the context; it may mean the Purusha supporting the formation of Prakriti, which we call a being, though the proper word would be rather a becoming; it may mean, on the other hand, specifically the psychic being in an evolutionary creature like man; it may mean the spark of the Divine which has been put into Matter by the descent of the Divine into the material world and which upholds all evolving formations here. There is and can be no psychic being in a non-evolutionary creature like the Asura; there can be none in a god who does not need one for his existence. But what the god has is a Purusha and a Prakriti or Energy of nature of that Purusha. If any being of the typal worlds wants to evolve, he has to come down to earth and take a human body and accept to share in the evolution. It is because they do not want to do this that the vital beings try to possess men so that they may enjoy the materialities of physical life without having the burden of the evolution or the process of conversion in which it culminates. I hope this is clear and solves the difficulty. The three stages you speak of are stages not of evolution but of the involution of the Divine in Matter. The Devas and Asuras are not evolved in Matter; for the typal being only a Purusha with its Prakriti is necessary – this Purusha may put out a mental and vital Purusha to represent it and according as it is centred in one or another it belongs to the mental or vital world. That is all. While the Gods cannot be transformed, for they are typal and not evolutionary beings, they can come for conversion – that is to say, to give up their own ideas and outlook on things and conform themselves to the higher Will and supramental Truth of the Divine. -Sri Aurobindo, Letters on Yoga, Divine and Hostile Powers
Also check Purani's Evening talks, Second Series, Gods, Page 226
Disciple : Do the Asuras have also the possibilities of man Sri Aurobindo : No. Disciple : Is there no progress for the Asura ? Sri Aurobindo : Not in the sense of evolution of consciousness. Disciple : But you said that the Asura can be transformed or converted ? Sri Aurobindo : Yes. They can change their working and open to something higher. Disciple : Is that what you meant by their being converted ? Then can they help evolution ? Sri Aurobindo : Yes, they can manifest something higher than their vital nature and become instruments of the Divine. But generally they do not change. Disciple : What becomes of the Asuras if they are not converted ? Sri Aurobindo : They can be annihilated ; but if you ask what would happen at the end of the kalpa, well, it is difficult to answer. If they change then they can open themselves to something higher, and try to manifest it . Disciple : Some of the Asuras are said to have practised Sadhana. What is their kind of Sadhana? You also said that they are very intelligent beings. Sri Aurobindo : I never said that they have true ideas and great ideals and that they were great mental beings. What I said was that they were clever in carrying out their purpose, they know how to work out results. Disciple : What is their place in evolution ? Could it go on without them ? Sri Aurobindo : There is the old idea of devas and asuas – divine beings or Gods, – the titans – struggling to control human evolution. The Asuras are responsible for the great complexity of the world, but in my opinion they are not a necessity. The Asuras realise themselves through revolt, suffering, struggle, and difficulty. But the world could have evolved differently – more like a flower blooming from inside to outside. But the forces of the Asura-type entered the universal play of forces and perverted it. This is the truth known to almost all the religions : the snake – the evil, tempting Prakriti – Eve, – Prakriti deceiving Purusha – Adam. The Purusha consented and they fell : this they speak of as the fall of Adam, the cosmic man. In India this struggle, – as to who should control the course of human evolution, – between the Devas and the Asuras expresses the same truth. Disciple : What is then the truth in the Puranic idea of worshipping God through vaira bhava – feeling of "opposition", or hostility? Sri Aurobindo : In the case of Ravana, and also of Hiranya Kashipu, they were human beings who became Asuras and chose the path of opposition to the Divine. It is really a fall and it shows that the course of evolution for man is not to become an Asura. That is to say, the course of human evolution is not from the animal to the vital being and then to the Asura. Asuric life is regarded as a fall for man. If you got converted Asuric nature then you lose the chance of your evolution.
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